andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Not familiar with Sweden but given such numbers I suggest you try to 
> worry about something else. Unemployment is probably nearly fully 
> explained by lack of relevant education. I don't suppose Finland 
> recognizes Iraqi grades. So any PhD from Iraq is effectively totally 
> uneducated, and can not talk, read or write Finish fluently, so he'll be 
> in a segment of the market with a high unemployment rate.

  Somehow that paragraph expresses quite well the utopistic view of
immigrants coming from poorer countries: That most of them are well
educated and that they have emigrated to Europe for work, and the only
thing that is preventing them from getting a job is the language barrier
and bureaucracy (or racist discrimination).

  You asked for some reference to the 60% figure. Well, let me ask you for
some reference of that point of view you are expressing.

  It may not be a politically correct way of thinking, but it nevertheless
makes sense: If a person emigrates from a poor country to Europe, there's
a rather high probability that he doesn't have almost any kind of education
and the reason he is emigrating is because he wants to live in a richer
country with social welfare and free services. I know I would.
  Of course there are prominent excpetions, there always are, but we are
talking about averages here.

> The main problem is segregation, if you put them all in low quality 
> suburbs, they start forming communities outside mainstream Finland when 
> the number reaches some threshold.

  One of the main problems is indeed segregation. The main problem with
segregation is that it's self-inflicted. In many cases immigrants are
segregated because they want to be segregated. They want to live in their
own mini-communities, separated from the hosting community. They don't want
to integrate into the hosting culture. They want to preserve their own
culture and reject the hosting culture. The problem is aggravated by
multiculturalists who are encouraging them to do so (and who brainwash
them to believe that the majority of people in the hosting country are
racist and discriminatory).

  You just have to look at countries like Sweden and France to see this.
It is also slowly happening here.

> The main thing is making them feel at home and welcome. I don't see much 
> of that in the tone of your posts.

  You are misunderstanding. I don't have any problem with immigration.
What I have problems with is immigration policy. An immigration policy
which results in immigration problems. It's precisely the type of
immigration policy which causes segregation.

  There are countries with different immigration policy and where
immigration works much better. I think Canada is one good example.
Finland should learn from Canada, not from Sweden and France.

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                                                          - Warp

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